Re: [-empyre-] A correction on Armenian genocide

[Aliette <aliette@criticalsecret.org>]

No problem Ana, sorry if my note made a misunderstanding to your remark,
that was not my intention

A.


On 23/07/06 23:01, "Ana Valdes" <agora158@gmail.com> probably wrote:

> Sorry Aliette, you misunderstood me, I didn't write that Bush or the
> neocons denies the Armenian genocide, I said that Lewis did. I quote
> myself: "Bernard
> Lewis, Bush and the neocons favorite Islamolog, has denied the"
> 
> I meant that Lewis, who Bush and the neocons treat as the major
> authority in Islam, denied the Armenian genocide.
> Ana
> 
> On 7/23/06, Aliette <aliette@criticalsecret.org> wrote:
>> Please HG, can be you are sincere but it would be a mistake whatever your
>> testimony, I am so sorry to correct it...
>> 
>> Not to amalgamate! The history of modern Turkey is very special.
>> 
>> Please Ana, to know exactly what regarding the actual context of formation
>> of EU, why may be Bush hope to dissolve the recognition of the Armenian
>> genocide.
>> 
>> 1. Armenian genocide was not from the part of Islam to Christians, Armenian
>> genocide was from the part of the following  emergency of "young Turks"
>> modern power, a movement that was a laic movement (atheist); from which
>> moreover we can understand in what it could inspire Hitler then making
>> himself of Turkey one of his allies...
>> 
>> http://www.armenian-genocide.org/encyclopedia/young_turks.htm
>> 
>> 2. The question of Bush absolving Turkey of Armenian genocide regards
>> strictly the EU question of integration of Turkey;-) EU refusing Turkey if
>> it does not claim an international recognition of the Armenian genocide,
>> while Bush having a big feet in Turkey hope to make increase his weight in
>> Europe. With Poland and Turkey the EU borders of the East from Federation of
>> Russia to Turkey would be well acquired by the American intervention...
>> 
>> So what: the question of this sort of conceptual alliance with Lewis
>> certainly be pragmatic but probably opportunistâ from their part.
>> 
>> Whatever the regard to Armenian genocide by Islam being historically false
>> it manifests a misinformation by error.
>> 
>> I am sorry, it is not against somebody but to tribute ...
>> 
>> A.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 23/07/06 18:12, "Ana Valdes" <agora158@gmail.com> probably wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting discussion about genocides. Yesterday I read that Bernard
>>> Lewis, Bush and the neocons favorite Islamolog, has denied the
>>> Armenian genocide and been judged to pay ammends in France.
>>> It's confirm my skepsis against all the biased "research" Lewis make
>>> about Islam.
>>> Ana
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/06, G. H. Hovagimyan <ghh@thing.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Ana Valdes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The Christian fundamentalism, used in the colonization of the New
>>>>> World, South America, Asia and Africa, erased old cultures and burned
>>>>> on the stake priests and shamans. Old temples and shrines were put to
>>>>> fire and destroyed, in the old mosques Christian churches were
>>>>> builded.
>>>> 
>>>> gh responds:
>>>> 
>>>> All religions destroy the holy spots of the nations they conquer and
>>>> build their temples on the same spot. Think about Istanbul and the
>>>> Hagia Sophia which was the largest church in Christendom until the
>>>> Turks overran Byzantium. The 80 year period of the Al Andalus was a
>>>> very small part of the competing Moslem empires. An eighty year golden
>>>> age in a 1300 year history of Moslem conquest and empires is not much
>>>> to brag about.  You may be ashamed of your Christian heritage, but as
>>>> an Armenian I can say that the Moslem Turks perpetrated the first
>>>> modern genocide on the Armenian Christians. The Armenian Genocide
>>>> became the inspiration for Hitlers' final solution for the Jews. Which
>>>> brings us back to the discussion of Bare Life. From my perspective I
>>>> grew up in an Armenian community where everyone had a story about the
>>>> genocide. It was the collective mythos of the Armenian community. For
>>>> instance my Grandmother was sent here in 1915 to escape the genocide.
>>>> She was sent with her brother and an orphan from the village. They came
>>>> in steerage to America. She was 15 years old. Her brother contracted an
>>>> eye infection on the trip over which later left him blind. They were
>>>> almost refused entry because of the infection. The Armenians are not
>>>> any better having just recently started a war with Azerbaijan and
>>>> pushed out all the Azeris from their homes in the Ngorno-Karabach
>>>> region.
>>>> 
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